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8th January 2021, 16:15 #2231
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But ofc it is. This has lasted already for a while and is going to get worse. I was saying that full EV is not going to happen, probably ever.
Thinking about motorsports and probably the next step in production vehicles Audi`s idea of an "EV" with a TFSI generaator comes into mind.
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8th January 2021, 16:31 #2232
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8th January 2021, 16:59 #2233
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I didn`t react to your post.
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8th January 2021, 19:03 #2234
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8th January 2021, 19:36 #2235
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Since start of WRC rules the top rally cars have very little in common with normal cars. But they still look like them from the outside (with some tuning kit).
Which is my point. Even a "shell" with spaceframe inside is more of a rally car for me than a buggy with single or in-line seating that runs stock engine and components.
As an example when I watched ROC some time back with Loeb etc. the buggys just simple were too "alien", while the touring car Megane which had nothing in common with stock on the inside felt more right.
Petrol/diesel RWD cars are a very small minority of sales. Even BMW left them with 2 series and then with new 1 series.
But you know very well what my comment was aiming at. Some people in UK claim that the only "real rallying" is NA RWD Escorts from 1970s, similarly some people in Scandinavia only count RWD Volvo 240s and similar as real rallying.
Back to your original trolling response there are modern RWD rally cars as you know. Going from Porsches over Aston Martin, Nissan 350Z and Fiat 124 to the modern Alpine. They indeed do count as rally cars for me, but they have one thing in common... they are hopelessly outclassed by 4WD cars on any rallies that are not on tarmac.
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8th January 2021, 20:02 #2236
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That is true yes, on slippery surfaces there is no match for the AWD.
But they do market well for a certain group of people... though probably also without rallying.Last edited by Tarmop; 8th January 2021 at 20:04.
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10th January 2021, 16:16 #2238
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Spot on.
Once current manus were in favor of having full protos (without any link to the industrial production, apart a silhouette body) from 2022, what’s the reason to keep private tuners unable to develop, build and run WRC cars?
Even if it’d be hard to find sponsors eager to fund top private tuners on a complete WRC program (probably only Red Bull or a middle-east country), opening Rally1 to private tuners would be a smart way to boost the series, fully justifying the rules move towards space frame chassis.Rally addict since 1982
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10th January 2021, 16:23 #2239
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It’s possible to have street legal protos, as it happens on Rally-Raid series (which also use open public roads as liaisons). Rally homologations are a manus monopoly because one of the established rules is to have the cars built from a mass production model, which only manus are able to provide. At the moment that rule is fundamentally changed (like it’ll be from 2022) there’s little room to keep manus homologation monopoly, at least in Rally1 case.
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10th January 2021, 21:35 #2240
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Yeah, it's a monopoly because it works. Without manufacturers baking and know how behind no one would be able to do a competitive car. And yes, I know that some buggies in the Dakar manage to do some good results, but in the end Toyota or Mini will dominate. As all cars made by Manus dominate in WTCR, GT3 or any other category
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